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Tomoe
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To all Germans out there
« on: 07/21/06 at 13:38:06 » |
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I wanted to ask a favour to any German members of this forum (you know who you are!), that is, if you have time and patience for this.
I needed to hear, from a German, about “sehnsucht”, it’s for a very serious religious study I’m doing. I’ve already read something about this but it wasn’t from any German author, actually she was Portuguese, and as I have learned, when you’re talking about such unique characteristic of a culture and spirit, anyone outside that culture will inevitably make mistakes.
I know it’s an untranslatable word, related to mix a longing and joy.
I guess I know this is a complicated topic, but any help will be completely awesome.
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Re: To all Germans out there
« Reply #1 on: 07/23/06 at 13:23:50 » |
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man, I will try my best to help you. Yes, indeed the word means what you said. I use the word when I`m waiting for something and I can`t take it anymore or I`ll miss something
but alway as I`ve got Sehnsucht I don`t feel well ( you can say it is a negative feeling)
Some examples:
If you know a person you really like and this person can`t be with you you have Sehnsucht after this person.
I have Sehnsucht at the moment too. I`ve been camping with some friends and it was a damn good time there. But I can`t be there at the moment, I have sehnsucht after the camping grounds.
Or if you wish something which can`t become true at the moment, then you have sehnsucht after that.
some people also commit suicide because of their Sehnsucht ( they really want to be death you can say they have sehnsucht after their death.
Goethe once said:Nur wer die Sehnsucht kennt, weiss was ich leide ( only those who know the longing know what I suffer).
There is also a song from Rammstein with that title
http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/sehnsucht
article in Portugese:
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein
I hope that helps.
Do you have a simillar word in portugese?
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Re: To all Germans out there
« Reply #2 on: 07/23/06 at 19:26:21 » |
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Yes we do, we have “Saudade”.
Saudade is THE Portuguese word, if all that is Portuguese disappeared it could all be built again from Saudade. A lot of poets, philosophers, esoterists, and educators have looked into Saudade, books and books have been written since almost the medieval times.
Saudade is the mix of memory and desire, also a form a painful longing and joy, a painfully loving memory of the past is projected in hope in the future and lived in the present. If I have Saudade of someone then I remember the good times with that person, and long to be with her in the future, this joins the painful memory and simultaneously the joyful hope of the future.
A German-Portuguese author, Carolina Michaëlis de Vasconcelos, was probably the first one to relate Saudade with Sehnsucht, but latter authors and investigators realized that although similar Saudade acts upon the feelings wile Sehnsucht act on will, being Saudade and Sehnsucht female and male counterparts of each other, correspondently.
That, from what you said makes complete sense, you can die of Saudade but you will never take your life over it, for in Saudade there is implicit a love for life or at least a part of life. I get the feeling that in Sehnsucht there is a certain despair involved, which hope of the future isn’t present, making it truly more frantic and active, leading to a quicker resolve of the situation… truly a mirror of the German soul, in my opinion, with all your dramatic existentialist philosophers. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
Teixeira de Pascoes, called the Poet of the Saudade, theorised a whole religious creation theory based on Saudade, I have a book were it’s explained but it extremely complicated and I didn’t understand it that well… latter this theory was developed into a form of Portuguese “Gnosticism”, that if you live your Saudade to the extreme, Saudade of anything, it will become Saudade of God, the slight felling that you existed before in some different and perfect form and somehow got your self here, then with that Saudade you can place your hope of the future in the reunion with God once again and make your spirit travel in that direction.
Pretty cool, but still weird.
Thanks a lot, be the way.
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Re: To all Germans out there
« Reply #3 on: 07/24/06 at 02:10:46 » |
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You know, Rammstein was the first thing that came to my mind when I read the question... Speaking of which, Mouryo, do you know Laibach? They are a slovene band that are pretty similar in some aspects to Rammstein, or maybe I should say it's the other way around, because Laibach was formed when Till was still swimming for the East German olimpic team. Nowadays they are a bit bereft of reason, because they are a strongly political band and work with similar controversies Marilyn Manson does, only with them it's political controversy - i.e. wearing fascist looking uniforms and stuff. They did an amazing thing back in the days of communism - there was a contest for posters for Tito's birthday, the so called Day of Youth, the central celebration of Tito's cult of personality. They submited a slightly reworked Third Reich poster and won. Basically they proved that totalitarian regimes have a liking for similar iconography. Man were the authorities pissed off when they found out about it.
Anyway, back on topic: there's a similar japanese word as well - koishii.
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Re: To all Germans out there
« Reply #4 on: 07/24/06 at 03:45:19 » |
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No, I don`t know that band, but from what I have read the are the best know band from slovenia, when I`ll get some money maybe I will try to get stuff.
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Re: To all Germans out there
« Reply #5 on: 07/24/06 at 03:53:41 » |
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I'm only part German, but I do live in Germany, and therefore I deal with the Deutsch people 7 days a week. Your right that the "longing" described is a thing of will. While in many cultures around the world, people work to live, I've had various Deutsch tell me that the German way is living to work (with the exception of those people down in Saarland, which everyone else in this country makes demeaning jokes about, mostly because Saarland is close to France, and therefore assimilated much of the French "relax" attitude). The German attitude on average is that you work hard, you do a quality job, you never mooch off of others (some of the worst insults I've ever heard in Germany are about free-loaders), and you buy what you've earned with that hard work (while I go for whatevers on sale, most German customers just buy exactly what they wanted, regardless of whats on sale or not).
I actually think this is a pretty impressive and noble way to live, if perhaps not enviable. The German people have a strong sense of duty attatched to what is expected from them in life. (Because of this, and the fact that the Socialist German Government gives immigrants INSANE NEVER ENDING PAYCHECKS FOR BEING UNEMPLOYED, you can imagine that the working Germans who are paying a fortune in taxes to support freeloading immigrants are...well, pissed).
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Re: To all Germans out there
« Reply #6 on: 07/24/06 at 09:12:20 » |
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Yes, those moochers are a real pest and there are a lot of methods to fool the government.
Jokes about people from the Saarland? that is completely new for me ( I haven`t heard anything about that).
I was born in the ruhr area and now live in the Münsterland.
The inahbitant of the Münsterland are know to be very conservative and distrustful against strangers ( especially against people from the ruhr area about which they say it is dirty and the inhabitants are cads) I live in the Münsterland since 1987. So, much longer then in the ruhr area and because of that I have very good buddies here who are typical Münsterländer. But they don`t consider me as a person from the ruhr area.
Yes, we are told that we live to work even though I don`t like this way of living ( I`m a littlebit lazy). I don`t have such a strong sense of duty ( I`m more easy going).
I also dislike that some people in my country must paln everything.
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